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While top representatives from each country...
were convening at the UN to discuss global peace-keeping and security,
despite the lack of any official recognition,
the self-appointed G's from around the world...
are convening for the peace-keeping...
and security of global youths,
hence the Non-Summit Meeting.
We shall begin the session.
I'm the Chairman of Non Summit Meeting, Jun Hyun-moo.
I'm Secretary General Yoo Se-yoon. I'm Chairman Sung Si-kyung.
We are Junyoosung!
(Welcome representatives.)
Before President Obama stepped down from office, he gave
a farewell address that touched the hearts of people all around the world.
And it became a widely talked about subject.
What made this farewell address more memorable?
There were some emotional points to this speech.
(President Obama stated that he believed change came from the people and...)
(not from him. He wanted people to believe in this.)
(Every day I have learned from all of you.)
(You have made me a better president.)
(He credits all his success to the people of the nation.)
As he addressed the nation and the world, he said the word, "Democracy"...
more than 20 times.
And lastly, when he was a presidential candidate, he had said this slogan a lot,
"Yes We Can."
But this time, he changed it to, "Yes We Did."
So...
(Over eight years ago, he said we could do anything with your help.)
(Now, eight years after, we did it together.)
("Yes We Did.")
That triggered the memories and feelings from eight years ago and we were touched.
The people especially loved this part,
Michelle Obama was there listening to his speech as well,
and he addressed her directly. As he talked to her, he started to tear up.
- What did he say? - How touching.
(Michelle,)
(You took on a role that you didn't ask for.)
(And you made it your own...)
(with grace, and with grit, and with style...)
(and good humor.)
The event for the farewell address given by President Obama was free.
But as soon as the tickets went up,
all the tickets had been taken in two and a half hours.
Because of this, someone had posted online...
that they would sell the ticket for 5,000 dollars.
Would you pay 5,000 dollars to go see...
President Obama's farewell address?
Or would you rather watch it on TV?
If you would go, raise your hand. In 1, 2 and 3.
(Would you pay 5,000 dollars to go?)
So, only two people would go?
- Goodness me. - I would have paid and gone to it.
- Really? - Alex,
Alex, is it too expensive?
No, Alex is waiting for President Obama to visit him personally.
- "Come over to my place." - They can meet after the address.
No, it's not that. I think that watching from the comforts of your home is better.
- It's being aired live, do you really need to go? - That's right.
But it will feel different seeing him in front of you.
The atmosphere...
- He's just going to be talking. - It's the same.
- The message of the speech is important. - Even when you buy it,
- you'll be hearing it from very far away. - That's right.
- You could see him better online. - That's right.
This is like going to a concert of a favorite celebrity.
- That's not it. - That's not it.
It feels like you're part of history.
- You could buy so much for 5,000 dollars. - That's right.
Xinlin, you kept complaining about how you don't have any money.
But you're willing to pay for this?
He's going to make connections.
I would go if I had the money.
It's not like you'll get to meet him.
I think the event is worth the cost, I just am trying to save money.
If I was a rich Swiss or a rich American, I would go.
Rich Americans wouldn't go either.
You wouldn't go?
- It's not worth it. - He's calling himself rich.
- I wouldn't go. - I wouldn't go either.
I don't like going to places where there are a lot of people.
I had once attended a concert given by PSY,
I would be pushed over there, even though I didn't want to go.
- I get pushed around. - It would be too crowded.
- I didn't even get to see PSY. - That's cute.
- You didn't see him. - It was a standing concert.
From that point on, I made it clear that I would not go to crowded places.
Since we come out on this show,
we could claim that we're here to promote the show.
We could ask JTBC...
- to pay for the ticket. -Aurélien, you're very crafty.
Aurélien, were you really thinking of promoting the show?
I think he's thinking of this in simplistic terms.
You're trying to live an easy life.
What I was fascinated about was, in the US,
a political speech has value, right?
When I thought about it, in Japan, I couldn't imagine anyone...
paying 5,000 dollars to hear a political speech.
So, for me going to see a politician...
- to hear his speech is something I can't understand. - You can't understand it?
For us, this isn't something that happens all the time.
President Obama is just that popular.
A lot of people wanted to hear him speak.
- That's why they paid so much. - He's a star.
- He wasn't making money from this. - He's a global superstar.
- It was free. - Yes, it was free.
Was there a speech given by a leader that touched the nation in your own country?
Our former chancellor, Gerhard Schröder...
was disappointing as a politician,
but he was an eloquent speaker.
He gave a speech at Auschwitz concentration camp.
He gave a wonderful speech.
(We bear a special responsibility.)
(Remembrance of the war and the genocide perpetrated by the Nazi regime...)
(has become part of our living constitution.)
(It is true, the temptation to forget is very great.)
(But we will not succumb to this temptation.)
"It is true, the temptation to forget is very great."
"But we will not succumb to this temptation."
- That's a great speech. - It was very touching.
Back in 1981 in France,
Robert Badinter, our former Minister of Justice,
sponsored a bill to abolish the death penalty.
He gave this speech to Parliament.
(Tommorow, France will no longer be a country that kills.)
(Tommorow, the death sentences that are committed secretly in French prisons...)
(that was universally shameful for us all will disappear.)
France will no longer be a nation that kills people.
From tomorrow, the death penalty...
will disappear from France.
(Wow!)
As expected from a nation that respects human rights.
The former Prime Minister of Pakistan, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto,
Back in 1971, Pakistan and Bangladesh was one nation.
At that time, the joint forces lead by India was more successful...
and it led to Pakistan becoming the victim.
Back then, the UN tried to arbitrate a stop to this conflict.
We decided to strengthen ties with the international community.
Our former prime minister said this.
(We'll go back and fight! My country beckons me.)
(Why should I stay here at the Security Council and waste my time?)
"I am going!" And with that, he left.
(Exploding with anger)
(He rips the documents and walks out.)
Most of the people in Pakistan thought that his actions were very cool.
For the Pakistani people, this was the greatest speech we heard.
When our current prime minister, Narendra Modi was running for office,
he had a catchy campaign slogan that became popular.
Whenever he gave a speech,
(Good days are coming.)
He would go out to rallies and shout out, "Good days are coming."
(Good days are coming.)
(They are coming.)
- That's impressive. - Everyone would shout it.
- It's very catchy. - It's like telling a crowd to say something at a concert.
When I say, "Ho".
- You say... - Well...
The opposition party...
would get annoyed when they heard it. It was a very popular phrase.
So, they would use the slogan to attack the candidate.
Recently, there was an issue with the currency reform.
Is this what you meant by "Good days are coming"?
- Do you have any speeches that are considered the worst? - This should be fun.
Our former Prime Minister, Matteo Renzi...
sounds adorable when he speaks in English.
Is it because of his pronunciation?
Everything about him is cute.
From his expression to his pronunciation.
For example, he was trying to say the word, "Jealous".
But it sounded like he said the word, "Ass".
He said that. Or,
he was trying to say the word, "Half" but he said "Elf".
He said "Elf".
- So, he... - That would sound adorable.
- That would sound adorable. - It was.
He was trying to say half the nation,
but he said our Elf nation.
- "If we join together," - He didn't say anything bad.
When he does that, I just feel that he's very cute.
However he hadn't done anything that we'd say was cool.
Last year, our President, Johann Schneider-Ammann,
gave a speech in French.
It was a day where we commemorate and remember those who are sick.
He said that he wanted people to laugh more.
He had said that smiling was good for your mental health.
However he had given this speech without smiling. So everyone was stunned.
A lot of people made fun of the President.
It was also picked up by the French news, they said...
the Swiss President was as funny as an undertaker.
(Laughing is good for your health. Please remember to live a happy life.)
(Serious)
(The content itself was great.)
(However the Swiss President is as funny as an undertaker.)
For us, it would be the speech given by George Bush in 2003.
It's called the Mission Accomplished speech. It has been criticized a lot.
He had said that they had completed the mission...
in invading Iraq in 42 days.
To state this, they made a dramatic presentation with jet fighter flying over.
(They were congratulating themselves on their victory.)
(Mission Accomplished)
(Our nation and our coalition is proud of this accomplishment.)
As you all know, the mission wasn't over.
- It was only the beginning. - Right.
After that speech, we kept fighting for many more years.
In a city in Taiwan,
a Taiwanese member of Parliament,
stated that he had been drinking from the very beginning of the speech.
He stated that he wasn't responsible for what he said.
He then stated that his secretary was too ugly to sleep with.
He then said, when he sees a pretty girl on the street, he wants to sleep with her.
(I've been drinking so I can curse out anyone I want. I take no responsibility.)
(My secretary is to ugly to sleep with.)
(Whenever I see a pretty woman on the street, I want to sleep with her.)
The funniest part was the sign language translator on the screen.
She didn't know what to do.
You had to translate "Our secretary cannot do that."...
- in sign language. - Exactly.
(The hardship of translating ludicrous comments)
Do you have any farewells that...
you think is well-said?
You got goosebumps as you were saying it.
It's okay if it's corny. Why don't we start with you, Se-yoon?
- You've been doing it since Grade 8. - Right.
"Do not be afraid of fear."
(So corny)
- I see. - What made you say that?
Unlike mine,
do you have any farewells or parting words?
Mine is somewhat corny, too.
- What is it? - Ten years ago, I found the love of my life in China,
and the day she had to go back to her country,
in front of Beijing Foreign Studies University, I told her...
- That's so romantic. - What did he say?
Can you translate for us?
"You have to go back to your country,"
"and you may think that we won't meet again,"
"but we'll meet again."
"Please wait for me."
He asked her to wait for her.
(So romantic)
Did you meet her again?
She's my wife now.
(What a romanticist)
Calm down, Se-yoon. Calm down.
You are such a romanticist.
(The best farewell in 21st century)
I love how you said, "She's my wife now."
What was your wife's response at the time?
She didn't believe in what I said.
How come you're good at Chinese, too?
I can only say those romantic stuff in Chinese.
Is that what you were studying for?
I see.
I sort of feel bad for you, Guillaume.
I thought mine was pretty cool, but after hearing Alberto's...
- That's okay. - Did you say it in English or French?
- I said in French. - To whom?
- To whom? - To whom?
- My mom. - Your mom.
What does that mean?
- What is it? - "I'll see you in three months."
- What is it again? - It meant "I'll see you in three months."
When I decided to come to Korea in 2000,
I thought I wouldn't be able to see her for three months,
- Right. - At the airport,
- Yes. - my mom would cry so much. Tears would cover her face.
My dad was fine, though.
To comfort her, I told her "I'll see you in three months."
- How long have you been here? - 18 years.
Your mom knew this was going to happen.
- Right. - "Guillaume would stay there for 18 years."
Do you call your mom often, Guillaume?
I do video calls with her.
Do you call her everyday?
No, every week.
- I said hi to her too. - You should talk for yourself, Hyun-moo.
- I said hi to her too. - Where does my mom live, again?
- How about you, Oogi? - I've always wanted to say nice things,
but I never had a chance.
- I was never able to try. - Do you have one in your mind?
When in a relationship, I don't think of breaking up,
but before I could sense a break up,
we are already broken up.
(I want to become a man who can say farewells.)
- Okay. - Yes.
(Breathing in)
- In conclusion.... - Just do it.
- That's the role you're given. - This is way too corny.
Let me get prepared.
- I also want to tell you this. - Yes.
What is it?
You've made me a good chairman.
Yes, we can.
- I copied a little bit of Obama. - Thank you for saying that.
I mean it, though.
(Nice wrap-up)
- Borderless Non Summit Meeting. - Let's begin our meeting.
(Borderless Non Summit Meeting has begun.)
We will cover each representative's issues...
and share diverse opinions.
We discuss all global issues. What is So Important?
This is an issue prepared by Aurélien from France.
Yes. In France starting from this year,
if you haven't signed up for the refusal of donating organs,
regardless of your family's approval,
the dead are considered as organ donors.
An enforced bill for organ donation is...
in act.
I lay this issue...
to the Non Summit Meeting.
You are forced to donate your organ, right?
- In France, - Yes.
since 1976,
- we've had the same bill, - Right.
but they needed a consent...
- from the family members for donating the deceased organs. - Right.
Now, you have to have a proof...
of denial document with your signature.
Before you die, you need leave a proof for refusing to donate your organ...
either to your family...
- or online. - Exactly.
Without it, the consent from your family doesn't hold any power legally.
You're assumed to be an organ donor.
It's understandable since there are more patients...
who await organs than organ donors.
- France has decided to enact the bill. - Yes.
The bill basically assumes that every citizen is an organ donor...
unless one exercises his veto.
We'll have a vote for the issue laid by France.
A bill for donating organ postmortem.
Do you agree or disagree?
Please press the button if you think this is normal.
Press in 1, 2, 3.
(Normal 7, Abnormal 4)
Who should we start with?
- Who pressed the button first? - I did.
I completely agree with the bill.
- How come? - I believe that you are obligated to donate organs.
- Obligated? - Yes.
In my opinion, killing a person, like murder...
and not helping when a person is dying are the same thing.
- Right. - The bill enables an easy way to...
donate healthy organs to...
save many patients.
- That's why I believe that we need to be... - Obligated.
- obligated to donate our organs. - Right.
However, I cannot donate my head...
because I need to freeze my head.
- Right, not your head. - I can donate all my body parts...
- except for my head. - Why, though?
(During the debate of freezing one's body)
(For efficiency, Guillaume said he'd freeze his head only.)
Guillaume wants to live forever.
Just like Guillaume has said,
- if you don't want to donate a certain part of your body, - Like the head.
then you can specify that as well.
- Right. - There are many cases like that.
- It's a good system. - Some think that a heart is connected...
to their souls, and they would exclude their hearts...
- for donating organs. - Right.
What I want to tell the ones on the Normal side is...
that just because we're on the abnormal side, we aren't against organ donation.
It is one of the most beautiful things to do in this world like Guillaume said.
Donating organs is important,
but I'm from India as you know,
you have to consider religious reasons for disagreeing.
Hinduism believes in reincarnation.
In order to reincarnation, some could be against donating organs.
In China, there's a saying...
The body, hair and skin, all have been received from the parents,
and so one doesn’t dare damage them—that is the beginning of filial piety.
We have an obligation to respect our body parts.
I thank France for...
enacting such bill.
The shortage of organ donation is a serious problem worldwide.
You're right.
According to the EU and Norway,
about 86,000 people were...
waiting for organ donations in 2014.
In addition to that, 16 patients die daily...
because there's not enough organ donations.
In addition to that, in countries like Pakistan,
- organs are illegally bought and sold. - Right.
With a bill like that, the shortage can be relieved...
and it's likely for other problems to dissipate.
That's why I agree.
What I want to add to that is, in Germany,
the perception of organ donation has become very negative.
Doctors would get organs to transplant...
and get paid for the actual organ transplant.
- The waiting lists for transplant have been manipulated by doctors. - Right.
Many people are now unwilling to donate their organs.
In India, it is also a very serious problem.
There's also a black market for organs.
You should have agreed with the bill then.
It's because...
- If there's a black market for organs, it's very serious. - I'm going to explain.
- He's so scary. - I want to tell Guillaumet about this.
We never know when we'd need them.
- He needs to listen to what I say. - The system has to be ready.
Instead of legally enforcing it, we need an educational...
system so that people will be aware of the importance of organ donation.
I think an educational approach would have been better.
The thing is that...
it's not about education.
There's a good educational program for organ donation in Germany and Italy,
but patients still wait for organs for a very long time.
However, in Austria, patients don't have to wait for long.
Many people think that it's because of cultural difference.
It wasn't the cultural difference, though.
Austria has the same system as in France.
Everyone is an organ donor,
and you can refuse to do so for religious reasons.
In Germany, you need to express your opinion to donate your organs.
There are so many opportunities to become an organ donor,
- but not a lot of people do so. - Why do you think so?
- Because they don't want to? - No, it's not...
- because they don't want to. - You're forcing them to do so.
It's just that they don't want to express their opinion.
You're saying that since there's a shortage for organ donation...
the bill of donating organs is needed.
However, I think that's the worst thing to do.
I'm for donating organs,
and I'm a registered organ donor in the States.
The reason why I don't agree with the bill is...
that I have my rights to my body.
What if I didn't know that I have to register for refusing to donate organs?
What if I die before I can register for that?
- That's right. - That's why assuming everyone is an organ donor...
- It's a violation of right. - is violating my rights.
We should be able to choose.
In France, about 80 percent are for donating organs.
There are people who are too lazy...
to register for donating organs.
That's true. A lot of people want to donate their organs,
and they are for the organ donation in general,
but they don't know how to register or are too lazy.
- The process is too complicated. - That's right.
In Switzerland, it's a very sorry issue.
Every week, due to the shortage of organs,2
three patients die.
Many people in Switzerland are for donating organs,
but when a person close to them die,
they change their mind when asked on the spot.
That's why we need a bill like that.
In France, when the bill was enacted, 150,000 people registered for refusal.
- Those... - So what? What's that have to do with it?
So what?
There are way more people than those 150,000 people.
The fact that only 150,000 have refused to donate their organs is very successful.
You have to think about human rights.
That's why you're given the right to refuse.
What I want to know is why there are only two choices.
- Right. - I want to ask why we are asked to donate or not donate organs.
- What do you mean then? - I mean...
- I'm saying... - Are you going to donate half of your organ?
We have the right to express but also to not express.
Why are we forced to express?
If this bill was enacted in Japan,
the people who refuse to donate their organs...
are afraid of being seen as selfish.
- That's not true. - No way.
There's a difference in our culture.
"Why wouldn't you donate your organ?"
- "It's for the good cause." - You don't need to tell them.
In France, since 2017,
you can register anonymously.
In Japan, we are given cards to fill out in elementary and middle schools.
If you fill out and keep it to yourself,
people can tell if you're an organ donor or not when you die.
We are not asked to fill it out though.
It's our choice to fill out or not.
- It's very Japanese-like. - Right.
We are not forced.
- In the States, you can sign up for organ donation if you want. - Right.
When we get our driver's licenses,
we are asked on the spot...
if we want to sign up for organ donation or not.
If you do, you get a mark on your driver's license.
We get a mark as an organ donor.
Since we have to renew...
- our driver's license, - Right.
we're asked if we want to register or not every time.
We are given many chances to register as an organ donor,
and 45 percent of American citizens are already registered organ donors.
I believe that it's a better system than that of France.
Since you're given many chances.
Exactly. We continuously get choices.
In the end, can you get an organ donation right away?
- You can, but there's also a waiting list. - I'm sure's it's very long, though.
- In France... - We have a waiting list, too.
- We do. - You do? In France?
Even if 80 percent of France agrees with donating organs?
- It's because there are 30 percent... - You have a waiting list?
with some family-related issues.
I see.
There's also a shortage of organ donation in Korea,
and there's an increase in suspicious advertisements for illegal organ donations.
- It's one of the worst crimes. - That's right.
There are even slang for "your organ"....
and all the transplantable organs.
The acronym for it is "HELICOPTER".
The advertisements are written in slang.
Are there are incidents related to organ donation in your countries?
There was a controversial incident in Pakistan...
called a transplant tour.
- A transplant tour? - Yes, a transplant tour.
About 1500 tourists visit Pakistan...
and get organ donation for low costs.
Pakistani doctors sell the organs for 40,000 dollars to foreigners,
and the donors get 2,000 dollars.
Only 2,000 dollars.
Yes, only 2,000 dollars.
Doctors got 40,000 dollars.
There's a similar incident in India, too.
It was in Gurgaon, and it's called Gurgaon Kidney Scandal.
From 1999 to 2008, for almost 10 years,
two doctors illegally bought and sold 600 kidneys.
They would deceive poor people in the rural area...
that they could get a job in Delhi.
They paid 750 dollars to those people...
and sold the kidneys for 20,000 dollars overseas.
In Mexico in 2015, a mother donated her kidney for her daughter,
and after the surgery, the kidney was kept safe in the hospital.
It was for the daughter.
On the day of the daughter's surgery, they had to postpone the surgery...
due to the daughter's health condition.
- Meanwhile, the kidney got lost. - What?
It disappeared.
We don't know if the doctors sold it...
- or if it's just lost. - How could they lose it?
They lost it in the hospital?
Who can we trust if a hospital loses an organ?
The kidney was gone,
and the daughter had to go back on the waiting list.
- It's unbelievable. - It is.
The ones who didn't agree with this issue should have changed their mind...
- after hearing this. - You're so aggressive, Guillaume.
- You're like an honorary ambassador. - We're not against donating organs.
He's got a strong opinion on the issue.
In France in 2008,
- a guy was declared dead. - Right.
When a doctor was about to operate on the dead body...
to get the organs,
- Did he comeback to life? - the guy woke up.
- Really? - That was it.
- After a few months.... - Wait, what's the point of that?
It's interesting because he came back to life...
at the right moment.
The guy started breathing...
and the surgery was stopped.
Why don't we talk about happy stories...
about donating organs?
In Ontario, there was a boy named Campbell.
She suffered from a lung disease for a long time,
and her family posted their story on Twitter...
through a hashtag.
Justin Bieber retwitted that post.
- Right. - After the retwit, 2000 people registered to donate their organs.
Bieber did a good job.
Right, he saved her life.
She got a new set of lungs.
I think the role of famous people is very important.
In India, you know you can donate your cornea and retina,
but many people are afraid of the idea of donating parts of their eyes.
Aishwarya Rai, who won Miss World competition,
became an honorary ambassador for the donation,
and many people have changed their mind.
In 1994, there was an American family who visited Sicily in Italy...
for their vacation.
There was a burglary, and the burglar aimed to...
shoot at a different car,
but he shot at the car with the American family in it.
The 7-year-old boy who was in the car...
- died of the gun shot. - Oh, no.
The boy was killed on his family's vacation.
The parents decided to donate their son's organs,
and seven Italians received new organs.
All Italians were so moved by that,
and the movie "Nicholas' Gift" was based on that story.
The amazing thing was that...
the parents decided on the organ donation...
instead of hating Italians for the accident.
I can't even imagine what they've gone through.
There's a lovely story of donating organs.
There was a 25-year-old lady in Chicago named Heather.
She had a liver disease and needed a liver transplant immediately.
There was an ex-navy...
who decided to donate...
55 percent of his liver.
It's a simultaneous surgery.
- Right. - He donated half of his liver.
Right. After the surgery, they had to recover for months.
During the recovery, they got so close...
that they fell in love with each other....
and got married.
- It's a lovely story. - Through donating liver,
- they got married. - That's amazing.
Those were such moving and brave stories.
We'll be back with a new topic next week for What is So Important?.
Yes.
- It's time for today's representative. - Yes.
Out of all the year-end award shows,
he was the most shocking recipient of the grand award.
He's called the Happy Dummy,
the recipient of the grand award, Kim Jong-min.
(133rd Korean representative, Kim Jong-min)
(Kim Jong-min)
- Welcome. - Welcome.
(Nice to meet you.)
We are honored to have the recipient of the grand award.
- Welcome. - Nice to meet you.
He looks so different now.
He was just walking, and it was so funny.
- Right? - I thought you were carrying the trophy with you.
Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you. - Please face the front.
Thank you.
Please introduce yourself.
I'm the leader of Koyote and a singer...
and.... Nice, nice to meet you.
How come you're stuttering?
(Embarrassed)
He was using past tense...
- because it's already in the past. - Right.
Unlike Korean representatives,
- who usually feel pressured... - That's true.
since everyone here are handsome, smart and good at speaking Korean.
On the other hand, Jong-min doesn't seem...
- pressured at all. - He's even made a very funny entrance, too.
You shouldn't be too relaxed, though.
- He's not nervous at all. - He seems very relaxed.
- I lived in Korea for a long time. - Okay.
(Aren't you a Korean who lived in Korea?)
It is true, though.
He did live in Korea for a long time.
- Right. - As an experienced person who lived in Korea for a long time.
I think I'd be better at Korean.
(Wouldn't I be better at Korean than them?)
- There are many representatives who are good at Korean. - Really?
- Right. - I don't know if it's just me,
- Yes. - but when Jong-min laughs,
you look very similar to Alex here.
- Right. - That's true.
- Their faces? - The way they smile.
- Yes. - They have wrinkles around their eyes when they smile.
I thought of Alexa as a very handsome guy.
(He suddenly became a Jong-min look-alike.)
- It's just the way they smile. - They do look alike.
That's true.
- Where are you from, Alex? - I'm from Switzerland.
I see.
There are flags in front of the representatives.
It's my first time seeing him.
- They do look alike. - Yes.
- Today's debate will be with... - Yes.
Jong-min who's good at Korean.
You'll be surprised to see how good his Korean is.
You'll be surprised.
- Jong-min has brought an issue for the 133rd meeting. - Yes.
- Go ahead. - Here is today's topic.
(An anchor-like introduction)
You didn't have to read that.
- It's nice and clear. - Okay.
"Due to my klutzy character, I was lucky to receive an entertainment award."
"However, I was scammed many times because of my personality."
"That's why I brought this topic."
"I trust people too easily."
"Am I abnormal?"
You were scammed?
How often did this happen?
I was actually scammed quite a few times.
What's the silkworm-liquor business?
The silkworm-liquor business had to do with...
liquor with a silkworm inside the bottle.
We were trying to import them exclusively,
but my partner said we were short of funds.
A close friend of mine and I paid the shortage.
We were in contact for a few days,
then we couldn't reach them after that.
That's very typical.
It could have been done without our money and with 90,000 dollars,
- but he said he was a little short. - Right.
They're usually short a reasonable amount.
They just needed a little more.
I'm open to lending a reasonable amount,
and that's how much they need.
What's the car fraud?
That one's pretty incredible too.
Why did you get scammed so often?
With just one car,
- One car? - I was scammed twice.
- How? - With one car...
I was given a car, and when I tried to resell it, it turned out to be a damaged car.
- It just looked normal on appearance. - It should have been scrapped.
I confronted the friend who gave it.
- "What's this about?" - What did he say?
He said he'll sell it for me.
There begins another scam.
- Oh no! - He offered to sell it for me.
Then, he told me he sold it at a good price.
He told me to bring the registration for the car.
- So, I gave it to him, and he said he'd pay me tomorrow. - No!
You can't!
I couldn't reach him after that.
- What happens after? - That's the end of that.
That's how it ended.
I was also in the internet cafe business.
There, one of my staff took my money.
- And ran? - Right.
- Really? - He just left.
- Really? - Did he take everything?
He took the money and the hard drives when there were customers.
- My goodness! - I was playing games then.
(I was playing games in the meantime.)
Why did you keep getting into various businesses?
Of the things I heard from my seniors when I was in my 20s,
they said being a celebrity isn't always stable.
They told me one's celebrity disappears when there's no work.
Therefore, I was pressured to find myself a stable source of income.
So I always tried to start a business...
- and invested. - Do you have successful cases?
- I don't. - Really?
You didn't do well in any of your businesses?
- Never. - Guillaume also was defrauded once.
- Really? - Yes.
- He is sitting in front of you. - You should be careful.
We had you join in the New Year to shed off those memories.
- Yes. - We hope you never have to go through that again.
We'll now begin the discussion on "I trust people too easily. Am I abnormal?"
(Real Debate)
If you think being too trusting of others is abnormal, please press the button.
1, 2, 3.
(Normal 8, Abnormal 4)
It's abnormal.
When I was younger, I was more trusting of others.
As I grew older,
I started to have healthy suspicion.
It's not being completely skeptical, but...
more like double-checking things when meeting new people.
For example, if I were to meet Oogi for the first time,
I could ask others what kind of guy he is.
Does that mean you double-checked all of us?
That much suspicion is reasonable.
- It's a healthy suspicion. - He did double-check us.
That's why he takes two months to get to know people.
Do you have healthy suspicions when you meet women too?
Then, he would triple-check.
- Hire a private investigator. - Isn't that necessary though?
Asking others what kind of person they are. That's it.
You want to double-check.
I, too, agree. However, that's a personality trait.
I think it's a good thing to be skeptical,
but because of my personality, I give the person the benefit of doubt.
However, I get scammed in the end.
It can't be helped because it's your personality.
- What if you meet a professional con artist? - There's no helping then.
- These con artists... - Yes.
are rather a minority in society, so I don't think...
we should do away with our innocence...
because of them.
I don't think we should change our personalities on account of them.
The problem is, however...
Rather than being suspicious of each other,
it's better to trust on another.
- You said you're too trusting of others, right? - Yes.
That could be dangerous. There's a saying in Mexico,
"Trust is good, but no trust is even better."
What that means is...
Wow.
Trusting others is good,
but it's better not to trust others.
That's why when you trust everyone,
You make it inevitable for others to deceive you.
If you know this and still continue to trust others,
that is abnormal.
There's a saying in China,
"There is fortune in misfortune."
Things that start badly can lead to happiness.
When I trust another, it could be a way to...
show others the kind of person I am.
Even now, we are able to talk about our experience in this debate.
These beautiful experiences?
They're quite good memories.
Because it happened, we are able to talk about it like this.
You say it like an Eastern philosopher.
- You're really open-minded. - That's great.
- You're so nice. - I understand because I, too, am quick to trust others.
That's why I was scammed on an internet second-hand site.
- The internet site? - Yes. Because of those bad people,
I didn't want to change the way I trust people.
In life, you meet so many...
people who aren't trustworthy.
They pretend they are kind.
- There aren't many. - They pretend they are kind when they scam.
How do we know?
I believe in karma.
- Did you say karma? - Yes.
I've never heard a Swiss person talk about karma.
I believe that if people continue to do bad things,
they will inevitably get the same in return.
- They'll be punished. - Right.
Then again, it's really upsetting sometimes to see bad people...
die very peacefully.
- Right. - It's draining.
We do have to be careful. However,
if it's not a case of being scammed once,
but trusting the wrong people several times,
I'm sorry, but I think it's stupid.
- It's too dangerous. - It's something to think about.
As a celebrity, you're known by many people,
and many people think you're rich because you're famous.
I'm sure a lot of people will try to take advantage.
I worried about this a lot.
Say there's a cat...
and if you give it some fish,
- isn't it strange not to take it? - It means you have a problem?
I was starting to think there was something wrong with me...
because I was repeating the same mistake.
We're going to talk about con jobs from around the world.
Where should we begin?
Let's start with Japan.
In 1985,
there was the Toyota Shoji scandal involving the gold trade.
It happened during a time when the gold trade was just liberalized in Japan.
That's when the Toyota Shoji company...
decided to sell gold to the public.
However, they didn't actually sell the gold.
Instead, they told people they could make money...
with the interest from storing their gold in their company.
However, it turned out there was no gold.
- That's incredible. - Also, two billion dollars had disappeared.
- The vanishing of two billion dollars. - Yes, that's what they called it.
What was more shocking about this...
was that the day the chairman was arrested,
there were a lot of reporters at the scene.
Right then, two men suddenly appeared,
broke into the chairman's house...
and stabbed the chairman to death.
However, the cameras were filming the incident.
It was all aired on television.
- The murder scene was aired? - Yes.
It wasn't censored?
- It was live news. - It was 1985 at the time.
It was a scam but also a murder story.
It was a really major incident.
Do you know the American movie, "Catch Me If You Can"...
with Leonardo Dicaprio?
The movie is actually based on a real person.
The main character in the movie is based on Frank Abagnale.
He conned people from the age of 16.
He made fake bills,
acted as pilots, doctors, lawyers,
all in disguise.
When he was caught by the FBI,
he was so good...
that the FBI ended up hiring him.
He worked with the FBI...
to find other, similar con artists.
He actually appears in "Catch Me If You Can"...
- as a cameo. - He's on as a cameo?
He's not the main character,
but plays the cop that arrests Leonardo Dicaprio.
- That's him. - He really turned his life around.
After the First World War in Germany, the country was in...
a very bad state economically and educationally.
An unemployed man named Franz Tousend swindled people,
saying that he can change lead into gold.
Was he an alchemist?
From lead to gold...
After the war, education in chemistry wasn't very good,
so many people believed him.
When people saw that the lead wasn't turning into gold,
he was arrested. However, what's interesting about that is...
that when the Nazi Regime came into power,
they told Franz Tousend to make gold from lead,
but he couldn't and later died in prison.
He died in prison.
In 2013, about seven different towns in Mexico,
adding to a total of around 5,000 people, were swindled.
- Really? - It's quite a large number.
There were only three con artists.
They pretended to be civil servants.
They went to impoverished towns...
and told people they're doing a home renovation project.
With a registration fee of 30 dollars, they were promised...
renovations worth up to 2,000 dollars.
Ultimately, they fled with the money.
They have still not been found.
People believed them because they're civil servants.
In France, there was a German con-artist couple...
living in Montpelier.
The couple lied about having...
a lot of artwork that they inherited from their ancestors.
It turned out that the man had...
forged the styles of famous artists and sold them as real ones.
What's interesting about that is...
they sometimes sold their replicas...
at a much higher price...
than the real works.
The forgeries were even more expensive.
He's like an art genius.
He completely understood the original artwork.
He could later become quite a famous artist.
- He should just make his own. - Right.
We have a famous con artist in Italy.
His name is Carlos Ponzi or Charles Ponzi.
He was the creator of the Ponzi scheme.
He'd get a high-returns investment from A...
and get another from B to pay A the interest.
Since he's getting paid from hundreds and thousands of people,
he amassed an incredible amount of money.
He was finally caught and imprisoned.
His scheme became popularly known as the Ponzi scheme.
- The Ponzi scheme. - Ponzi came to America and conned us.
As a result, there were a lot of Ponzi scheme frauds.
The biggest among them was by Bernard Madoff.
In an effort to approach the wealthy,
he became the chairman...
of the NASDAQ stock market.
He was also known as the "Father of NASDAQ".
There, he had stolen 65 million dollars...
through a Ponzi scheme...
and was sentenced to 150 years imprisonment.
His expected parole release date...
- is in 2139. - As long as he lives a long life and takes care of himself,
- he might get out. - He'll be there for a long time.
Wasn't there a con artist who sold his country?
There's the legendary con man, Mr. Natwarlal.
His story was even made into a movie.
He had sold India's famous Taj Mahal...
to foreigners three times.
- He sold the Taj Mahal? - Yes, three times!
- At what price? - I wouldn't know since I never sought to buy it.
It's good that Jong-min doesn't have the money to buy the Taj Mahal.
You're right.
You looked intrigued just now even.
I have to buy the Taj Mahal, but I'm short 10,000 dollars.
I'll wire it to you.
Can you pay cash?
There was an even worse situation in New York.
This con man kept selling the Brooklyn Bridge.
He sold what?
- The Brooklyn Bridge. - Really?
The Brooklyn Bridge is a landmark of New York.
In the 1880s,
a man named George Parker...
had sold the bridge to different buyers every week for 30 years.
He made others think he was the owner of the bridge.
When the people he had sold the bridge to went to the bridge...
to start collecting a toll, it caused a lot of trouble for the police...
because they had to keep putting up blockades.
- When they'd get rid of one alleged owner, another one would pop up. - Right.
That continued for 30 years.
Later, he even tried to sell the Statue of Liberty...
and actually succeeded.
- Really? - It happened quite a few times.
There were many victims.
We talked about con artists who tried to see state property,
but it's all right to imagine.
- If you could, what landmark would you want to buy? - What a useless question.
- It's still fun, though. - It's fun while it lasts,
but you get a feeling of emptiness afterward.
What would you buy?
I'd like to buy the Golden Gate Bridge in the US.
- The Golden Gate Bridge? - Yes. In every American disaster movie,
they always destroy this bridge.
(From explosions,)
(tsunamis,)
(to monsters,)
(they always smash the Golden Gate Bridge.)
I want it because it doesn't seem like Americans like the bridge very much.
It's in the movies because it's loved.
- Then, why destroy it? - It's that precious to us.
Why would you destroy if it's precious?
Seeing something we cherish...
- is more emotionally compelling. - You know this debate is meaningless, right?
This is all imaginary.
We're not taking it.
I thought about this before,
but I'd like to buy about 100 Moai figures...
- on Easter Island in Chile. - Aren't they amazing?
Where would you put them?
I want to use them to build a hot spring.
I think it would be large-scale hot spring.
The Moai hot spring.
I want to create a Moai hot spring.
I want to have the Potala Palace in Tibet.
I want not just the palace but also the mountain.
Northern Germany doesn't have any mountains...
and have such a different culture...
that I think it would be really good to have the palace there.
I'd rather buy nature.
That's quite a large scale.
You know the Uyuni salt flats in Bolivia?
It's so beautiful.
It's a place I want to go before I die.
There's a lot of nature in Mexico.
There are a lot of deserts, but there aren't any salt flats.
I think it would suit Mexico.
I would also like to buy nature.
A lot of Korean people think Mont Blanc is in France,
but actually, half of Mont Blanc is in Italy,
and the other half that is now French was also part of Italy.
(Oh please!)
We lost it to Napoleon.
That's why I'd like to buy back the rest of Mont Blanc.
- What would you like to buy, Jong-min? - Abroad.
I want to buy land...
in the Serengeti.
- The Serengeti? - Yes.
Can you say that again?
Serengeti.
There, you can see the mass migration of animals.
That was so amazing to see.
I'd love to live with the wild animals.
You want to live there?
Yes. I was sleeping in a tent there, and I could...
hear hyenas crying.
(Hyena cries)
- Why? - They wanted us to feed them.
Are you sure they didn't want to feed on you?
Maybe they were saying, "I'll eat you when you die."
It was very educational for kids. It was great.
- How about Mark? - This is the art connoisseur in me speaking, but nature can...
only be appreciated in its natural place, right?
- It's most beautiful. - That's why I wouldn't take it even if I could.
- Because it's really... - Look, we're all just imagining here.
- We're only pretending here. - It's too realistic.
People who appreciate art wouldn't think that's right.
- Mark isn't buying then. - I'll report you all.
(I'll report all of you.)
All right. We can't have them anyway.
(Happy imagination time)
Aside from cons in the financial world,
are there other baffling scam incidents from around the world?
Recently, there was a circus in Italy that purported...
to have found a "chow-chow panda",
a cross between the chow-chow and panda.
- They created a fad? - Right.
- A panda chow-chow. - Once the panda chow-chow was revealed,
it was really popular, but it turned out...
to be a scam.
They had imported two chow-chows from Hungary...
and dyed one of the dogs.
- Geez! - I knew it!
What is that? Who would do such a thing?
- They dyed the ears. - It's really cute.
- It was really popular but ended when they got caught. - That's insane.
In the Karachi Zoo in Pakistan,
there's a creature with the head of a woman...
and the body of a fox.
This fox-woman would tell the fortune of people who came to visit.
The dyed chow-chow story pales in comparison.
- A fox-woman! - That looks to obvious.
- That's absurd! - A person would go into a box with just her head sticking out,
and the body of a fox would be attached to the side.
Did people actually believe that?
- There are people who'd believe that. - Why?
- That's so blatant. - It would be far away.
What is it saying?
Shouldn't the body move at least?
The tail should be moving at least.
- It's so ridiculous. - It would tell people...
that it was captured from Africa 40 years ago.
Not only that, people thought it was a woman,
but it turned out to be a 33-year-old man.
The father had started it, but it was handed down to his son.
It was a hand-me-down business.
- My goodness. - He was conning people for 40 years before he got caught.
A lot of children fell for it.
- They would have been so scared. - Good grief.
There was a very baffling incident in Japan.
Men would drink with a certain woman until they passed out,
only to find their money and valuables stolen the next day.
It was a frequent occurrence.
The suspect was caught,
but it turned out it was a man, not a woman.
It was a man dressed as a woman?
Yes. It turned out that the man...
- had a gender identity disorder. - A gender identity disorder?
- Right. - They have both male and female identities.
He was born a woman, but he identified with the male gender.
Also, he had lived his life as a man.
The case is being held in court,
but he claims that whenever...
he drinks, the woman inside of him is unleashed,
and that the woman was the one who scammed the men.
He has two identities.
It's like Dr. Jekyll and Hyde.
What's more interesting is that Xinlin explained this to Jong-min.
(Embarrassed)
(Xinlin interprets for Jong-min.)
Here and there?
- He explained it so clearly. - He interpreted.
That's more interesting.
How surprising.
People in China had ordered iPhone 7s online...
but when the phone arrived,
there'd be an iPhone 3 and iPhone 4 inside.
Isn't it harder to find those models these days?
Inside the box, the Yu-Gi-Oh fusion card was enclosed in the box.
- A Yu-Gi-Oh card? - They can use it to combine the two phones.
They can use it to combine them.
It would be hard enough if I was very gullible.
If my girlfriend and my parents...
were easily duped as well, it would be very stressful.
Let's discuss this.
Let's discuss this with the member of Non Summit Meeting.
If I had a wife, hypothetically,
would you prefer a wife who was gullible,
- Or... - or a wife who was suspicious of everything.
- This is a hard decision. - Both situations would be very tiresome.
(Hard decision)
This is hard.
- This is really hard. - Could you help out by acting out the scenario?
Could you play the wife?
- "Honey." - "What?"
- "What are we going to do?" - "What's wrong?"
"My friend..."
"She had asked to borrow 10,000 dollars. But I can't get in touch with her."
"Up to now, you've loaned out 210,000 dollars."
(This isn't the first time.)
"No point in crying over it? We'll just have to earn it back."
(Resigned to her fate.)
- That's infuriating. - All right, now show us the suspicious wife.
- "I was thinking..." - "No. Absolutely not."
(A firm no)
- "No. Absolutely not." - "You don't even know what I was going to say."
- "That's not it." - "Se-yoon claims that..."
"Don't listen to Se-yoon."
(She's like an insurmountable wall.)
- He got caught. - I think she wouldn't just be suspicious of business ventures.
I would imagine she'd be suspicious about everything.
- Exactly. She would. - Right.
- Let's say you're working overtime. - "What is this smell?"
"This is a new cologne that I haven't smelled before."
(She's suspicious.)
There are people who are suspicious.
All right. Let's vote.
If you prefer a wife who is gullible, raise your hand.
Really? It's because they haven't been burned yet.
(Four people raised their hands.)
Jong-min has also raised his hand.
- Do you really prefer a gullible person? - Really?
If both you and your wife are gullible,
- Well... - You'd go bankrupt.
The reason I prefer a gullible person is,
I feel like it would be exhausting if she is suspicious of everything.
That's true.
I think it would be exhausting and my lifespan would get shortened.
But if you lose 20, 30, 40 or 50,000 dollars. That would also shorten your life.
If I were to meet a gullible person, I'd be responsible for our finances.
But you're gullible, too.
(What would be the point in that?)
- In Mexico, - Yes?
- in our culture, we can't say no. - That's true.
There are a lot of people who have been swindled.
When you have a suspicious wife,
I feel you'll suffer a smaller loss.
You would suffer less.
Jong-min, if you had a wife who is not as gullible as you are,
- then wouldn't it be more helpful? - It would be helpful.
It would be helpful, I'm just worried my lifespan would get shortened.
You'd look 10 years older, too.
- I believe that this is another way for her to show her affections. - Not true.
- You're a romantic. - No, that's not true.
- It's because she loves him. - That's not true.
- You wouldn't be able to do a thing. - Listen,
since there are so many people who are trying to swindle other people.
I think it's better when you meet someone who won't be fooled that easily.
Yes, it would be better.
When you have someone who is suspicious next to you,
I think it would be of great help to you.
I have a different opinion.
I think they are both bad. They would both be tiring.
They would both be exhausting, and in the end you'll divorce both.
So, if it is going to end up in a divorce anyway,
you should try not to have any regrets,
- so it would be better to meet a suspicious wife. - That's a good argument.
If you met someone who is nice and easily trust people,
- I'd feel regret. - German people are logical.
- Germans are logical. - As expected.
Don't you think it would be exhausting?
- If she's suspicious? - Would you be okay with that?
She'd call you even though you told her where you're going.
She'd ask who you're with.
- It depends on the situation. - That's why you'll get divorced.
(It's simple.)
If your wife gets swindled,
- you'd feel bad and so would your wife. - Exactly.
So, it'd better...
if I just bear the burden alone.
I think that would be better.
There are trends with fraud cases as well.
Shall we listen to some recent fraud cases?
In France, a trend has emerged in the types of frauds that are being committed.
The con artist pretends to be a CEO and...
they call up an employee at a company.
The con artist will then tell them to deposit money for a merger or tax purposes.
The employee will do it.
The employee will...
do it because it is not their money.
This is the types of frauds that are happening.
There was a con artist who pretended to be working for a gas company.
They would knock on each door.
The con artist would say that the gas machine that you are using is too old.
And you need to change it for a new one. He'd sell it at an expensive price.
They'd swindle them of their money.
- You could fall for that. - Gas is dangerous.
- Exactly. You could fall for that. - Claiming to replace it.
A lot of people watch movies online, right?
It is illegal to download pirated content.
So when torrent sites first appeared,
people thought it wasn't illegal and downloaded movies.
They would receive an email a few days later.
The letter would state that they needed to pay a fine...
or they would be taken to court.
Since they don't know whether the emails are legal or not,
they'll pay the fine.
They send out a lot of emails like this.
When you ask a lawyer about this, they'll tell you that this is fraud.
When I went back to India recently,
fraud with home-shopping channel has started to rise.
There was a piece of jewelery that they claimed would chase away misfortune.
They were selling this on home-shopping channel.
They would show a before and after shot as well.
They showed an individual who was smiling and not smiling.
- It showed the person struggling and living a bad life,
but after they bought this, their life started to turn around.
I'm surprised that they could advertise that on TV.
- I was surprised, too. - Did that really happen?
Products like this sells really well on the home-shopping networks.
That's incredible.
Because of President Trump, it has become...
harder for Mexicans to be issued with a visa.
So, swindlers and con artist would wait in front...
of the US Embassy.
They'd approach the people who weren't issued a visa.
They'd tell them that they know a way to get a visa issued.
We have an academy for this.
If you enroll at our academy, you'll be certain to be awarded a visa.
There have been a lot of people who fell for that.
They won't issue them a visa, right?
- No, they don't. - They say there is an academy...
but there is nothing there.
This is a recent trend,
when another car overtakes my car,
the person from the car that was overtaken will throw a clay ball.
Since they hear a sound,
the driver thinks that they have hit something.
When they throw it at the car,
it makes the car look like it has been scratched and dented.
They'll get out of the car and say, "Let's not call the insurance company."
Let's settle it between us.
They would be given a few hundred dollars.
(It's the car fraud that has been reenacted on Italian TV.)
(The clay ball leaves a fake scratch mark.)
(When the car behind you overtakes you,)
(they'll throw the clay ball at the passing car.)
(They'd convince the driver that it happened as they were overtaking their car.)
(And finally, they negotiate on the settlement.)
In Mexico a lot of con artists are using this as a tool,
they are making use of a single A4 paper.
They stick it on a car and hide.
When the driver enters the car and starts the engine.
The driver would see the A4 paper stuck and would get out to take it off.
At that moment the thief would come out and enter the driver's seat.
They would get in and drive off.
- They steal the car like that? - Yes, they do.
It's a very cheap trick.
- That's incredible. - It doesn't seem like much, but it can be used like that.
A few years ago, a friend of mine,
had parked in front of a cafe.
He had given his car key to the valet.
After drinking coffee, he asked for his car...
but they told him they don't provide a valet service.
- A valet service. - The car had been shipped overseas.
Goodness me.
They had taken everything off and sold it.
It was a brand new car.
It was a new car.
We don't look at the valet's faces. We just give them the key and go, right?
Valet fraud. Please be careful.
Jong-min, what other kinds of frauds are there in Korea?
Since I work in the entertainment industry,
there are a lot of frauds that are related to this industry.
Someone might say if you give them a fee, they can turn you into a celebrity.
The company would disappear the next day.
The con artist might promise to help them get on a TV show.
- They'll disappear. - Yes. This happens all the time.
This is a warning for everyone.
Any manager who asks you for money is a con artist.
Don't trust anyone who asks you for money.
Could you tell us about any cases of fraud that swindled the entire nation?
Back in 2010,
the government wanted to celebrate the 200th year of the nation's independence.
They had built a commemorative monument with the taxpayer's money.
It cost 22 million dollars.
If you look at it, there is nothing there.
- What is that? - There are no tourists.
The sky is very pretty.
Is that just a structure?
The worst part about this is,
the government had officially claimed it cost 22 million dollars.
However in truth, it cost 73 million dollars.
The government had not disclosed this.
The Mexican citizens...
had done a lot of protests in front of this structure.
But, they still haven't removed the structure.
When the earthquake struck Japan,
there was a lot of cases of fraud.
When the 2016 Kumamoto earthquakes struck,
con artists went around and asked people for donations for the relief fund.
They went around pretending to be civil servants.
They claimed they were gathering donations.
When the 2011 Tohoku earthquake and tsunami occurred,
we became sensitive to the speed of the news.
A news bulletin would appear on your phone,
but when you pressed it,
it would ask you to pay a fine because you had accessed an illegal site.
There were a lot of cases like this that happened during earthquakes.
They used that uncertainty to con people.
In France, con artists used terrorist threats to swindle people.
There were these two con artists who pretended to be a couple...
who had been a victim during the November 2015 Paris attacks.
They received 75,000 dollars.
After the 2016 Nice attack, this couple...
tried to do the same con and got caught.
- They received a 3-year sentence. - They deserved it.
I believe that all of Europe was conned by this.
Greece wanted to be a part of the EU.
So they fabricated all the documents.
They had four times more debt than they had claimed on the documents.
- Was it that big? - Their bid to enter the EU would have been rejected.
Germany had contributed the most to aiding Greece financially.
I believe that Germany had been swindled by Greece the most.
Recently there has been a growing number of something called fake news, right?
Back in 1957,
BBC had made a report about a spaghetti tree.
- They filmed a small documentary on it. - A tree that blooms spaghetti?
- A tree that blooms spaghetti? - Yes.
They had filmed it in my hometown, Lugano.
They pulled the spaghetti off the tree.
Is this fraud?
(Pretending to pick spaghetti)
- What is that? - It's a spaghetti farm.
- Did they have to go to all that effort? - Only the UK would've believed it.
They had to pick each spaghetti.
They stuck the spaghetti onto the tree.
BBC is actually famous for fake news like this.
They always do this on the first of April.
A few years ago,
they made a documentary about a penguin that apparently could fly.
A flying penguin?
(It looked like an ordinary documentary about penguins.)
(Cute)
(Flying)
(What was that? That was scary.)
This wasn't a big scam, but...
when you go to the US and walk onto the elevator,
there is a button to close the door, right?
That button doesn't work.
I just found this out recently.
- The close button... - Even if you press the button,
- it won't close faster. - Is that right?
When the elevators were first installed,
the buttons did work and it did close faster.
But since there are people with disabilities,
a law was passed to force elevators to stay open for at least a certain duration.
With the elevators today, the buttons don't work.
There was a similar incident, inside the office,
the thermostat is also fake.
It does make you feel warmer.
But it is fake.
It does make you feel warmer, but it doesn't actually work.
Jong-min, you've also attracted the curiosity of the viewers too, right?
Some viewers claim that you're a genius, and you're only pretending to be a fool.
While others claim that you're just a fool.
- It's a mystery that has still not been solved. - Right.
What is the truth?
In truth, if I'm being honest,
Jong-min, you've also attracted the curiosity of the viewers too, right?
Some viewers claim that you're a genius, and you're only pretending to be a fool.
While others claim that you're just a fool.
- It's a mystery that has still not been solved. - Right.
What is the truth?
- In truth, if I'm being honest, - Yes?
It would be impossible for me to plan everything I say and do.
- How could I plan it all out? - Plan what?
Are you talking about the scenario?
Yes. I can't plan it out and pretend to be a fool to make people like me.
In truth, I couldn't have planned all that out.
But on "1Night 2Days", you give some very peculiar answers.
Are you doing that on purpose? Or is that you really don't know?
I do say some strange answers.
But I give strange answers because I don't know.
- I see. - Yes, I give strange answers because I don't know the answer.
- So, it's true that you don't know? - Yes.
I wouldn't give strange answers, if I knew the answer.
(Happy)
Don't you hate how he looks satisfied by his own answer?
I also enjoy it when I can occasionally speak intelligently.
So, do you feel like you really are a fool?
Or are you pretending? If you had to choose.
I honestly don't know if I am a genius.
Most geniuses don't consider themselves to be a genius.
The president of Mensa in England,
thought he was intellectually inferior until he was 17. He had quit school.
Jong-min, you might be a genius as well.
I'm opposed to this.
You're opposed to the idea of you being a genius?
You don't have to go so far as to oppose it.
- He strongly opposes the idea. - Right.
I did take the Mensa test just recently.
- How did you do? - What did you score?
- I don't know. I just answered them. - It would be hard.
The questions weren't hard for you?
No, the questions weren't hard. I just solved them.
You thought you were a genius.
I got 100 points.
But the important thing is,
they score double digit IQs as 100 as well.
- They don't go lower. - So, even if you got 80, they'd say you got 100.
I'm not joking about this,
I really did try to get the answers right.
You were wondering whether you were a genius.
However. I received a 100.
Can you tell us about some products that were used to swindle people?
Chinese people are great at using Adobe Photoshop on selfie photos.
- For example, we have an editing app called "Meitu XiuXiu". - I know it.
You can get rid of wrinkles and make your face look smaller.
You can make your eyes look bigger, too.
Xinlin is very good at using that.
Is that true? Did you use it?
- He's good at using it? - Yes, I do use it.
Have you ever uploaded a photo onto your social network page without editing it?
No, they are all unedited photos.
I set the setting, so I'm the only one who can see it.
Your the only one who can see them.
Se-yoon, you're good at that, too.
I use it, too. It makes you feel better.
- That's right. - Where do you focus on?
I edit out my wrinkles.
I whiten my skin tone and make my eyes bigger.
Right, it makes you look like an idol.
It makes you feel good.
- What can you do? - Right. It makes you feel good.
(Secretary General's hobby)
I discovered something astounding as well.
- There is an app that makes fake cough sounds. - Why do you need that?
Why do you need that?
It's helpful if you're pretending to be sick.
There might be times when you want to take a day off from work.
A lot of students would probably use that.
Apparently there are over 150 different coughs.
So...
(A weak cough from a sick male)
(A powerful cough from a male)
You could mix it up to make it sound more natural.
Right. There are different coughs for male and females.
You can also alter the power of the coughs.
- You can pretend to be sick. - What if you pressed a female voice by mistake?
(A loud cough)
You'd be in even more trouble.
(That would be very embarrassing.)
- That could happen. - What is it called?
- It's called the faking illness app. - Cute name.
- The faking illness app. - Yes.
All right. Shall we now listen to some tips on how to avoid scams?
When you go to travel in France,
let's say you went to the river or went near it.
- They have a ring scam, - A scam with rings.
The person would stand next to you,
and the con artist would pretend to pick it up.
Is this your ring? Is this yours, Jung-sin?
No? This isn't mine.
- Did you say Kim Jung-sin? - Is his name Jung-sin?
- Kim Jung-sin... - The Grand Prize goes to Kim Jung-sin.
You need to be smart to be able to swindle someone.
How could you get his name wrong?
- No, that's not my name. - That name sounds very much like...
- a person who is the silent and strong type. - A fiction character.
He failed in the swindle.
Is this your ring? No, it isn't?
It's not mine. It's real gold.
Shall we split this in two?
If you give me money, I'll give you my half of this as well.
He's saying that he'll give his share for money.
However, this is a fake ring. It's a fake ring.
I see.
In Japan, you have to be very careful of fake monks.
- Fake monks? - Yes.
Most foreigners wouldn't know, right?
One of the first images of Japan that people have is temples, right?
The monk would try to sell you bracelets or gold coins.
Or a gold card.
They would sell it to foreigners saying that it has value.
In truth, the products are fake and made from cheap materials.
These con artists are dressed up as monks.
So, apparently a lot of people get fooled and buy it.
So, foreign tourists need to be careful of them.
When you think of India, you think of the Taj Mahal, right?
A lot of foreigners go there, too.
They go there and most tourists try to buy a miniature of the building, right?
You have to be careful when you purchase one.
A lot of these miniatures are made from marble dust.
When you bring home a miniature made from that,
it's already broken when you open it.
One way you can check is to...
scratch the sides with a coin.
The dust will appear even if you don't scratch it that hard.
With real miniatures, you wouldn't have dust coming out even if you scratch it hard.
If you see dust, the seller would tell you to stop.
If it's fake and you try to scratch it,
the seller will tell you that he won't sell it to you.
(They won't sell it if you try to scratch it.)
In Korea, if it's not a lie, we swear that it's not a lie.
- You might make a pinky swear. - Some people spit on it.
They seal the agreement like this, too.
- They make a copy and sign it. - They sign the pledge, too.
Don't you eat it?
- Eat what? - The contract.
Do you makes promises like this, too?
- Like this? - Yes, make a copy.
- I see, do you eat it? - Don't you?
Don't you spit when you make promises in France?
Yes, when we make a pledge in France,
(Promise, make the pledge and spit on it.)
It's make a promise,
make a pledge and spit on it.
- You spit on it. - Yes, we spit on it.
Why do you spit on it?
It's probably from the past. I'm not sure.
You either spit to the side, or on your hand. Like this?
- I see. - I think I heard of this.
How do you make promises in your country?
In India,
How do you make promises in your country?
In India... It's called the Adam's apple, right?
We grab this part and make a pledge.
(I promise.)
This means mother and promise.
When you swear on your mother's name, you have to grab the Adam's apple.
- When we were in school, - It's seems scary for some reason.
- I promise. - When we make promises at school,
and we want to cheat them, we still have to swear by something, right?
However, a mother is very precious to a child. So, in cases like that,
we'll promise on our brother's name or a friend's name.
- We swear on someone less precious. - It's similar to us.
You make a promise like that.
- A less precious person. - I pity your older brother.
He's less precious.
- You could promise something on your parent's name. - Right.
We place our hands on our heart or...
raise our hand like this and say, "I promise."
- Like this? - I promise.
In the US, we have two ways to make a promise.
At court, we put our left hand on the bible,
and raise our right hand like this.
"I swear to tell the truth."
That's a stronger pledge.
When you're making a lighter promise with your friends,
you can make this gesture and say, "I cross my heart."
If you want to say the longer version you can say,
"I cross my heart and hope to die."
What this means is,
if what I'm saying is a lie,
I don't mind dying.
"I cross my heart and hope to die." You can promise like that.
When I was younger I was a member of the Scout Association.
I had done this when I was living in the US.
So whenever we had our meetings, we had to say a pledge.
- How did it go? - I think I did this as well.
I promise to do my best.
To do my duty to God and my country...
and to obey the Law of the Pack.
We had to say the pledge.
We have a lot of Catholics in Mexico.
We make a cross with fingers.
Then we kiss the cross and say "Lo juro".
- Lo juro? - That sounds cool.
- Lo juro. - Lo juro.
- That's not a finger cross, right? - It means "I swear".
- Lo juro. - That's right.
It looks like a goal celebrations.
In Islamic culture, we don't think it's good to make many vows.
If you make many vows,
you're more likely to break them.
In case you have to make a vow,
we swear by the Qur’an. People place their hands on the book or put it on their heads.
And they say "Ala Ki Kasam".
It means "I swear to the God."
In China, there's a saying that there is a god...
above your head.
We swear to the God under the name of our family.
- Are you saying that there are divine beings above our heads? - Yes.
- The way he speaks is funny. - Right.
In Japan, we sing a song when we make a promise, instead of making a gesture.
We make a vow while singing that song. Let me sing it in Japanese.
That's how we sing it.
- It's quite long. - What does it mean?
- In Korean, it means... - It's a bit scary.
I'll cut your fingers, hit you 10,000 times, and...
make you swallow 1,000 needles if you break your word.
It's horrible.
- Oh dear. - Make you swallow 1,000 needles.
- But the song's melody is very beautiful. - I agree.
- Its lyrics are frightening but the melody is beautiful. - Right.
(Let's make a pinky promise. I'll hit you 10,000 times,)
(make you swallow 1,000 needles, and cut your fingers if you break it.)
Kim Jong-min laid an issue for the 132nd Non Summit Meeting.
"I trust people too easily. Is that abnormal?"
I'd like to cite a famous saying by Arthur Schopenhauer, a philosopher in Germany.
I think it would be very helpful to you, Jong-min.
- Can you read it out in German? - Good.
There's nothing more valuable in your life than being swindled by others,
because you can learn lessons from the experience.
- Now do you get it? - Why are you saying "wow"?
I like the saying.
- You like it. - It means...
the best way for us to make a wise use of money is...
to be swindled by others.
That gives us invaluable experiences...
and we can become wiser through the experiences.
How was it to be here today, Jong-min?
- That's it for today? - Yes.
(Is it over already?)
- Isn't it too easy? - Yes, it is.
This was actually way too easy for me. To be honest,
while having a conversation with representatives of various countries...
I was deeply impressed that they know how to use right predicates really well.
- Predicates? - Yes.
They speak with clear subjects and predicates.
- Their sentences are perfect. - Right. They're just amazing.
They learned Korean very well.
You could've just said their Korean is very good.
You don't need to mention subjects and predicates.
I had so much fun.
Listening to your stories, I realized...
life is pretty much the same everywhere.
What made you think life is pretty much the same everywhere?
Fraud takes place everywhere.
The types of fraud are common, too.
- Pretty much the same. - Yes, they're the same.
- Right, life is the same everywhere. - True.
We had a great time with Jong-min, the winner of the Entertainment Grand Prize.
I wish you success and happiness this year.
I would now like to adjourn our Non Summit Meeting.
Until the day we all become normal.
Jong-min won the award after enduring all the hardships.
I wish his success will encourage victims of fraud who are having a hard time.
Let's sing this song together, "I don't mind".
I don't mind.
Please sing it together.
- I don't mind. - Let me just adjourn our meeting here.
(Lunar New Year Special)
(Dumplings Wang Xinlin made himself)
(An idol band specialized in Korean traditional music)
(Geomungo, gayageum and haegeum...)
(create a beautiful harmony of Arirang together.)
(Big brother Kim Yong-man is the guest for the 134th Non Summit Meeting.)
(I feel relieved only when I have clear plans.)
(If you don't have any plans, it gives a headache to people around you.)
(What if the plans are wrong in the first place?)
(It can give you even more stress...)
(if it doesn't work as planned.)
(A life with plans versus a life with freedom)
(What happened during their trip to Jeju Island?)
(Xinlin made a super-tight schedule.)
(The Westerners drank coffee there.)
(Can't stop complaining)
(Hidden stories behind their travel led by Xinlin)
(That's impossible in a group tour.)
(Xinlin's package tour in Seoul)
(Everyone has to be together when the sun sets.)
(Tong-in market)
(Dongmyo style!)
(This isn't Mexico.)
(Nor China!)
(Who am I? Why am I here?)
(How will Xinlin's package tour end?)
(Non Summit Meeting will air 10:50pm on Monday.)
(It's Europe this time.)
(The country of Alps mountains,)
(Switzerland)
(Enjoying the wonderful nature while taking the first mountain train in Europe)
(They sing,)
(they dance,)
(and they are scared sometimes.)
(But it's also very touching.)
(A package tour that heals you with the great nature of the Alps)
("Package Tour" will air 10:50pm tonight.)
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